_________________________________________________________________ VOLUME 3, ISSUE 2 PSYCHNEWS INTERNATIONAL July 1998 _________________________________________________________________ SECTION C: NEWS SECTION -------------------------------------------------------- Note: The news section covers news, particularly on psychiatry and psychology online, by News Section Editor and PsychNews Managing Editor Don P. Corriveau. Opinions and comments are invited. Please send them to the PsychNews Int'l mailboxes: psychnews@psychologie.de and pni@badlands.nodak.edu -------------------------------------------------------- MORAL RESPONSIBILITY: THE ON-LINE TRIAL OF THE CENTURY Donald P. Corriveau, PhD This article begins to examine the issue of moral responsibility in the electronic age. In a brief Quasi-cyber-experiment, issues of professional and personal culpability will be explored. All readers of PsychNews International are invited to participate. DIRECTIONS FOR PARTICIPATION This "experiment" will only take a few minutes. A single brief scenario will be described. Try to imagine yourself in that situation. Next, indicate what YOU would do in that situation. A future article will discuss the results of this "experiment." Submit your responses by doing one of the following: Option 1: Respond using the form below by sending a reply e- mail message to survey4@ceus.com Option 2: Go to http://ceus.com/pni/survey4.htm and use the anonymous electronic form. THE SCENARIO Imagine yourself sitting at your computer. You are reading messages from your favorite Mailing List or Newsgroup. You notice a message from Larry Froistad. Larry has been an active participant of this mailing list for several months. In contrast to other members who remain anonymous, Larry's messages have listed his "home page." As you recall, his web page contained pictures of himself, his girlfriend, and an adorable young daughter from his first marriage. You know where Larry resides. His current message reads: Hi. I need to get something off my chest. Three years ago, I felt terrible rage toward my ex-wife for what she put me through in our long custody battle. While I was the victor, my rage would not subside. Alcohol was my one and only friend. Sure, my 5 year old daughter lived with me, but I knew my ex-wife would continue to seek custody. The solution was to kill my daughter. One evening, three years ago, I let my daughter watch her favorite videos and then put her to bed. I then locked all the doors and set my house on fire. I went to my bedroom and waited for the fire to spread. When I heard my daughter scream, I climbed out a window. When her screams stopped, I presumed she was dead. I pretended to save her by climbing back into the house. As I picked her body up there was still a wheezing breath. I dropped her body to the floor, escaped again through the window, and acted frantic and shocked until the police arrived. Her death was ruled accidental. THE QUESTION Indicate ALL the things YOU would do if you read the above message. ( ) Ignore the message. ( ) Reason that the child was already dead and that nothing could be done to save her. ( ) Engage in flame wars with other list members and defend Larry's behavior. ( ) Assume that no one in his right mind would confess openly to this tragedy and assume that it must be a hoax. ( ) Assume that memory of the fire must have been so painful that Larry's damaged mind was producing a false memory. ( ) Find the name of a reputable counselor and send this recommendation as a back-channel message directly to Larry. ( ) Counsel Larry directly by saying things such as "Larry, please don't blame yourself." ( ) Contact an ethics review board (e.g. through APA) and seek advice on what you should do. ( ) Show good leadership and explain to group members that Larry was mentally ill and that the child probably never existed. ( ) Consider informing the police but wait to see if anyone else on the list would do so first. ( ) Notify police immediately. Please submit your responses BEFORE reading the following. Larry Froistad is a real person. The scenario featured in our survey summarizes the main points of actual postings to a mailing list of over 200 members. The list is called MM (for Moderation Management). The list was created in 1996 as a public service for people who wanted to help each other with their drinking problems. (1) So, how did the members of the Moderation Management (MM) group deal with this scenario? Certainly, most members would accept the moral responsibility and notify the authorities -- would they not? Who would want to protect the villain of such a heinous crime? Would we not expect at least the mental health professionals on this list to abide by the highest ethical standards? Dr. Frederick Rotgers, Director of the Program for Addictions, Consultation and Treatment at Rutgers University, was an MM-list administrator. What type of direction did he provide the group? The full story is told through the eyes of a reporter in a _New York Times_ article. (2) More interesting reading is found in an article titled "Murder, She Read" by Elisa DeCarlo. (3) Elisa is one of only three list members who reported Mr. Froistad to the police. All three were lay persons. Three out of 200 is a very small fraction (1.5 %). Not one mental health professional accepted this moral responsibility. Let's review our survey items. This time, let's ask what was actually done by MM list members. 1) Ignore the message. [Evidently, many people did.] 2) Reason that the child was already dead and that nothing could be done to save her. [This obviates invocations of the _Tarasoff_ rulings.] 3) Engage in flame wars with other list members and defend Larry's behavior. [Elisa DeCarlo noted that many members "circled the wagons" in Larry's defense.] 4) Assume that no one in his right mind would confess openly to this tragedy and assume that it must be a hoax. [A rationalization used by some list members.] 5) Assume that memory of the fire must have been so painful that Larry's damaged mind was producing a false memory. [Apparently, some list members created their own false memories.] 6) Find the name of a reputable counselor and send this recommendation as a back-channel message directly to Larry. [Apparently, Larry did receive back-channel advice from the list administrator.] 7) Counsel Larry directly, saying things such as "Please don't blame yourself." [ Gee! Did anyone ponder the treatment of choice for this disorder?] 8) Contact an ethics review board (e.g., through APA) and seek advice on what you should do. [The jury is out as to whether anyone actually did this.] 9) Show good leadership and explain to group members that Larry was mentally ill and that the child probably never existed. [Elisa DeCarlo reported that Dr. Rotgers did this.] 10) Consider informing the police but wait to see if anyone else on the list would do so first. [Many list members appear to fall in this category.] 11) Notify police immediately. [Three list members accepted this moral responsibility.] DISCUSSION Admittedly, these editorial musings are not very scientific. On a more serious note, how would you explain the behavior (or lack thereof) of MM list members? Is moral responsibility evaporating in cyberspace? David Chasey writes: "Moral abdication is as old as morality. What is new in the present post-modern era are the innovative means through which such moral failures can be accomplished. Or should I say attempted. Of the multifarious creatures spawned by the global communicative powers of cyberspace, front and center is a radically new moral exposure. 'Naked and alone,' as Hamlet says. With millions of eyes watching, we are, all of us, more naked and alone than ever -- and shifting into moral hyper drive."(4) Jeffrey A. Schaler writes: "What will the position of Rutgers University be now? Will the American Psychological Association or the American Psychological Society take a position on his professional conduct? Or will they, like Dr. Rotgers, refuse to act because they have 'no basis for knowing' the truth? And what is the position of similar on- line self-help groups? Will they simply post an announcement warning participants to be careful of what they post--which suggests protection of those who harm others--or will they take a moral stand against such persons, making clear that any information about harm to others will be promptly reported to law enforcement authorities for proper investigation? The whole world is watching." (5) Indeed, the Froistad case has brought to our attention many unresolved issues. In an editorial, John Grohol, a pioneer on the frontier of psycho-technology, appears concerned that this case may have a damaging impact on on-line support groups. With his permission, Dr. Grohol's article is reprinted as a rebuttal to my position. In his article, Dr. Grohol writes, "I sincerely hope this doesn't have a chilling effect on other virtual support groups and their members' ability to share with one another openly and honestly on their lists." (6) Dr. Grohol's concerns appear most valid. No one would argue against the important functions served by support groups. Their potential obviously extends to on-line-support group formats that allow even greater accessibility and convenience. Whereas on-line support groups are not on trial here, the behavior of on-line participants may very well be. Dr. Grohol pays particular attention to the effects of alcohol and suggests that Mr. Froistad may have been playing "games" with list members or alternatively, that alcohol combined with feelings of guilt may have made him "feel as though he had murdered his daughter in the fire because he survived the fire and his daughter did not." Are these deliberations similar to those made by the list members who decided to bury their heads in the sand? Dr. Grohol defends the non-actions of list members explaining, "Think about how difficult it would be to turn in any close friend of yours after a confession and you see the serious dilemma the list members were facing." Frankly, I have thought about this and sympathize with the moral dilemma that faced the MM list members. Yet, we know that the right thing to do is not always the easiest. For the on-line community, the Froistad case may very well become the trial of the century. As would an effective defense attorney, Dr. Grohol (6) reminds us that the APA code of ethics does not directly apply to this case. The familiar _Tarasoff_ rulings are mute -- Mr. Froistad did not indicate that he would hurt himself or others. Similarly, issues of confidentiality (which would, if anything, pose a barrier to the notification of authorities) were irrelevant in that Mr. Froistad did not have attorney-client or doctor-patient relationships with list members. Thus, without clear legal guidelines, list members would be found "Not Guilty." But, are they innocent? Moral responsibility cannot be legislated but it must not be abdicated. In our on-line courtroom we must study the naked facts presented to us. Mr. Froistad indicated to list members that he murdered his five-year-old daughter. Maybe, he did. Maybe, he didn't. Listmembers were presented the knowledge that he said he did. Surely, they were not expected to serve as judge and jury. All they knew was, "Maybe he did. Maybe, he didn't." It is my opinion (and not necessarily that of PN or any of its staff) that a mere possibility of veracity, no matter how tenuous, in Mr. Froistad's confession was sufficient cause to invoke a moral responsibility. Informing the police that a crime might have occurred was the difficult but correct choice. I tip my hat to Elisa DeCarlo and the two list members that followed her lead. In sharing an earlier draft of this manuscript with colleagues, I received an e-mail message that read, "Whenever people start throwing around phrases like 'moral responsibility,' I get nervous. No one should be in a position to dictate to anyone else what their moral 'responsibility' is in a free society. We all have varying degrees of morality defined by very personal and life-changing experiences." Am I alone in taking umbrage to this claim? Is it true that no one should dictate that murdering five-year-old daughters is wrong? Has moral responsibility gone the way of the dinosaur in a pre-on-line era? To not report murder is to condone murder -- no matter how difficult that choice may be. Moral responsibility lies at the core of this issue. On-line communication does not attenuate this responsibility. As Jon Katz writes, "Still, some moral issues are clear, and do rise above ambiguity and rationalization. If the many millions of people on-line, and their support groups, choose (in however well-meaning a way) to give a higher priority to supporting murderers than to bringing them to justice, we are setting off on the slipperiest of slopes, setting the stage for a kind of moral anarchy that no civilized society has -- or can ever ultimately sanction or support, on-line or off." (7) Donald P. Corriveau, PhD Managing Editor, News Section Editor REFERENCES (1) Schaler, J.A. Personal e-mail communication, May 8, 1998. (2) Harmon, A. On-Line Trail to an Off-Line Killing. _New York Times_, April 30, 1998. (Available at cost at http://www1.nytimes.com. (3) DeCarlo, E. Murder, She Read. _New York Magazine_, May 11, 1998. Available at http://www.newyorkmag.com/This_Week/view.asp?id3D1443 (4) David Chasey, D. Personal communication submitted to Sunkyo Kwon, May 8, 1998. (5) Schaler, J.A. Personal communication submitted to Sunkyo Kwon, May 8, 1998. (6) Grohol, J.M. Secrets confessed - The Larry Froistad Case. Available at http://www.grohol.com/froistad.htm and reprinted in this issue of _PsychNews International_. (7) Katz, J. Rethinking On-line Confidentiality. Available at http://www.hotwired.com/synapse/katz/98/20/katz3a_text.html ***** 1 SECRETS CONFESSED: THE LARRY FROISTAD CASE John M. Grohol, Psy.D. I'm sure by now you've heard about the confession of a murder in an on-line support group. While I won't go into the details of this sort of thing here (you can read them for yourself at http://www.newyorkmag.com/This_Week/view.asp?id3D1443), it is interesting to note how much media attention this story has received. The story is an intriguing one -- an active member in an on-line alcohol-recovery support group (Moderation Management) by the name of Larry Froistad drunkenly confesses to the alleged murder of his daughter years earlier, in her death in a house fire. The police at the time determined it was an accidental death. However, three of the group's members decide to go to the police with this information and the suspected murderer is soon arrested. The psychologist who helps run the support group list is Frederick Rotgers, Psy.D., Director of the Program for Addictions Consultation and Treatment(PACT) of the Rutgers Center of Alcohol Studies. He was not one of the people who reported Mr. Froistad's confession to the police. This event raises a number of troubling questions about ethics, morality, and the law. It also nicely illustrates how the media will grab onto a story about anything relating to the Internet and blow it out of proportion because it involves the Internet. Let's examine some of these questions and what to make of them . . . Some of the first questions asked might be, Why would someone confess to such an act if he didn't do it? What was he thinking (or not thinking)? Was this confession influenced at all by the perceived anonymity of being on-line? This last point seems unlikely, given that Mr. Froistad used his real name on the mailing list and on his Web site. Maybe it was simply the case of a man who had to too much to drink one night deciding to confess his soul. Or was it the case of a man who had too much to drink one night deciding to play "games" with other list members . . . ? Often, when persons are inebriated, they will say and do things that they would never do when sober. This includes saying things which they don't really mean, and even lie. Why would he lie about such an important matter? Why does anyone lie? In this case, the reasons could range from an attention-getting ploy, to overwhelming feelings of guilt making him feel as though he had murdered his daughter in the fire, because he survived the fire and his daughter did not. We may never know. One item of note that caught some list members' attention was that Mr. Froistad used the word "murder" rather than killed or was responsible for his daughter's death. Word-choice, in a word- oriented medium such as a mailing list, is very important. Some say the reason some list members were so disturbed by Froistad's message was because of his use of the word "murder." Yet, again, we cannot know if a person is exaggerating when inebriated or not. For instance, we wouldn't think twice about not believing someone who was drunk and claimed they had been one of the people responsible for JFK's assassination. When drunk, people are more likely to do and say things which have little basis in reality. Think of how many times you or someone you know has taken the keys to a car to drive home after a night of drinking, knowing they are not equipped to drive home. When asked, the person so often lies about their state of inebriation and says, "Oh no, I'm fine to drive home." It's a lie influenced by the alcoholic intake and a complex underlying set of social, personal, and environmental factors not easily or readily understood. If I come up to you, and you know me extremely well from hundreds of personal interactions with me previously, would you believe whatever I said to you in a drunken state which went against everything you knew about me previously? It is unlikely you would do so. This support group was a close-knit group of people, many of whom knew one another as much or as well as you could ever know another person in this life. Just because their social and interpersonal interactions occurred only on-line doesn't decrease the strength or potential strength of their relationships. In fact, some research has shown that social interactions and relationships can often be stronger on-line, because of the disinhibitory effect of on-line communication. The professional therapist who knew Mr. Froistad decided that, based upon his own personal observations and interactions with Mr. Froistad in the past, what he was saying was highly unlikely to be true. So Rotgers took a conservative plan of action -- he e- mailed Larry privately, "urging him to seek the help of a face- to-face therapist who (in my mind) would be better able (by virtue of having all of the non-verbal cues from Larry that were missing on the listserv) to more adequately evaluate the situation, and if necessary (as actually happened, it turned out) urge Larry to turn himself in, if there was convincing evidence in that person's mind that Larry had, in fact, 'murdered' his daughter." Now some other professionals are second-guessing Rotger's judgment and playing Monday-morning quarterback. That's just untenable. They weren't there and they didn't know the circumstances of the relationship or the confession, outside of third-hand news reports (which tend to sensationalize and gloss over important facts). I have been on mailing lists where the indignant professionals on the list have said they called the therapist's professional association to file an ethics complaint. But what exactly is the ethical violation? Let's try and find out . . . _Tarasoff_ is the case most therapists cite when in a situation where (a) a professional therapeutic relationship exists and (b) the therapist becomes aware of a likely danger to some third party because of the client's disclosure. "Privilege ends where public peril begins." While some states have adopted this as law, others have not. It is, however, considered standard practice within certain professions and failure to act could result in professional disciplinary action brought against the therapist. The question is, did Rotgers or another therapist on the list have what is traditionally defined as a professional therapeutic relationship with Mr. Froistad, and was Rotgers aware that Froistad's behavior was going to harm another? Well, in the latter question, the harm has already been done. There is nothing in the psychologists' ethical principles which codify reporting criminal behavior, except: 5.05 Disclosures. (a) Psychologists disclose confidential information without the consent of the individual only as mandated by law, or where permitted by law for a valid purpose, such as (1) to provide needed professional services to the patient or the individual or organizational client, (2) to obtain appropriate professional consultations, (3) to protect the patient or client or others from harm, or (4) to obtain payment for services, in which instance disclosure is limited to the minimum that is necessary to achieve the purpose. So, one might argue there is a potential ethical obligation that, if one becomes aware of an illegal activity which was committed in the past (such as a murder, which has no statute of limitations), to report such an activity (at least under psychologists' professional ethical codes). But this is not at all clear-cut. In this case, nobody was aware of Froistad actually committing the crime. All they were aware of was that, in a drunken state, he said he did. The police report filed at the time showed the fire was an accident. A report from a knowledgeable source close to this incident reported to me that, [Upon checking with numerous attorneys], there is no obligation to report knowledge of a crime. However, there is an obligation to assist in any police investigation, and certainly to not obstruct the progress of any such investigation. In [this] case, evidence of the same level of validity as the confession (i.e. an e-mail from Larry -- that was subsequently born-out by press reports) indicated that there was no investigation on-going and the fire had been ruled accidental at the time (arson had already been ruled out). So [not only] was there [no] legal obligation to report him, there was no investigation to obstruct! Without knowing that a crime has been committed, it becomes a question of personal ethics and personal morality as to what one does in a questionable situation. There is no law or professional ethics which can guide a person in a nebulous situation like this. It is also clear from the mailing list itself that no professional relationship exists between Rotgers and Mr. Froistad, nor Rotgers and anyone else on the list. Yes, Rotgers helps maintain the list, but he doesn't appear to have what is traditionally defined as a professional relationship with the members of the list (from direct, personal observations of postings to the list). Rotgers doesn't "lead" the group, but he does participate from time to time, although nearly always as a factual resource, rarely as an advisor or therapist. His main role on the list is as a technical and clerical resource, not as a professional. Something important happened here, and we mustn't miss it with all this talk about who's to blame or who were the horrible people for doing nothing. Remember, Mr. Froistad was more than just another name in cyberspace -- he is a real, breathing person with whom many on the list were close friends. Think about how difficult it would be to turn in any close friend of yours after such a confession and you see the serious dilemma the list members were facing. From now on, individuals participating in on-line virtual support groups must be more careful about what they say. There seems to be little or no outcry about the privacy trampled in reporting this story, and other list members' confidentiality (some of their words were printed verbatim in the original _New York Times_ article which "broke" this story). That is the real shame of what happened -- media coming into a private group and using the group's internal dynamic for the media's own needs. Privacy being lost to report a story about a difficult ethical and moral dilemma that, for most people on the list, had no "right" answer. I'm not aware of a state law which exists today which protects the privacy of members in a support group, whether it be real or virtual. Such laws currently exist to protect attorneys and their clients, doctors and their patients, and therapists and their clients. But no similar type of protection exists for support groups today. This means anything you say in what you thought was an open and caring, supportive, close-knit community may be used against you in a court of law in the future. Your fellow support group members, whether virtual or real, may one day be your accusers. How can people still "open up" and share their deepest, darkest, and scariest secrets (some of which, heaven forbid, might be illegal!) with one another with this potential threat looming over their heads? I sincerely hope this doesn't have a chilling effect on other virtual support groups and their members' ability to share with one another openly and honestly on their lists. You never know what may be used against you, even in what you thought was a safe refuge and place to share on-line. Keep that in mind in your virtual travels, no matter what kind of mailing list you subscribe to. FOOTNOTE (TO TITLE) 1. This editorial-rebuttal is reprinted with permission after originally appearing on Psych Central: Dr. Grohol's Mental Health Page (http://www.grohol.com/). Copyright 1998 John M. Grohol. ***** MODERATION MANAGEMENT _UBER ALLES_ Jeffrey A. Schaler, PhD Why did "MM" listowners Audrey Kishline, founder of Moderation Management(MM), and Dr. Frederick Rotgers, director of the program for Addictions, Consultation and Treatment at Rutgers University, apparently want Larry Froistad to get away with murder? ("An On-line Trail Leads to an Off-Line Killing," _New York Times_, front page, April 30, 1998). This story raises important questions about law and liability for Internet listowners and "mental health" professionals, to be sure. However, there are also important ethical issues involved here: Ms. Kishline, Dr. Rotgers, and the majority of subscribers to the MM list appear to have acted in unconscionable ways. RES IPSA LOQUITUR Excerpts from the archives of mm@maelstrom.stjohns.edu were published verbatim in the _New York Times_. Larry Froistad, a member of the MM list, and a person whose home page on the world wide web(http://home.san.rr.com/froistad -- now shut down by the site administrator) indicated significant involvement with MM, confessed to murdering his five-year-old daughter: My God, there's something I haven't mentioned . . . The Kitty had to endure my going to jail twice and being embarrassed in front of her parents. Amanda I murdered because her mother stood between us . . . . I suffered for years trying to get custody of her after her mother divorced me. When I did, I still had to deal with her mother's constant attempts to take her back. I had the upper hand; in fact, her mother gave up her summer custody just before I killed Amanda. But I always felt I was not in complete control . . . [T]he conflict was tearing me apart, and the next night I let her watch the videos she loved all evening, and when she was asleep I got wickedly drunk, set our house on fire, went to bed, listened to her scream twice, climbed out the window and set about putting on a show of shock, Dammit, part of that show was climbing in her window and grabbing her pajamas, then hearing her breathe and dropping her where she was so she could die and rid me of her motherUs interferences. Hearing her wheeze in the smoke which I could barely stand--looking at her bedroom door burning--these are things I can't forget. Those last two screams that I tell everyone saved my life--they are wounds on my soul that I can't heal and that I'm sure I'm meant to carry with me. I am damaged goods, and as much as I feel I need the comfort of someone in my life that I can be good to, someone I can build a new family with--the simple fact is that I don't deserve those things and I'm meant to suffer a thousand times longer than my little girl did. To which, Frederick Rotgers, Ph.D., responded: Larry, Several (sic) folks have sent me private emails expressing genuine concern over some of the stuff that you've posted very recently. They are concerned, that you might be contemplating suicide or other drastic, harmful and ultimately counterproductive actions aimed at dealing with what seems to have become for you an awful situation. I'm writing for all of the folks who wrote me off list, and I believe for all of the folks on this list, to urge you to seriously think about contacting a therapist and working things through with yourself in a safe manner. Take care of yourself, my friend. And let us all know how things are going. The people here really care about you. While legal obligations to report Froistad's written murder confession to the police are unclear, Kishline and Rotgers had an ethical responsibility to report the confession -- especially because they led the group. The fact is they did not report it -- several lay persons did. Those who reported Froistad did the right thing, and they deserve to be commended for acting promptly. Instead, they were criticized and condemned by members of the MM list and Rotgers himself. Why were they criticized? Ms. Kishline, as reported in the _New York Times_ article, "said the group was considering not maintaining archives . . . and issuing a more strongly worded notice to new subscribers that their words . . . can never be considered completely confidential." Why would she ever want to protect someone from the police who just confessed to murder? Does Kishline express any concern for the five-year-old girl who was allegedly murdered? Does she express any concern for the mother of the allegedly murdered daughter? What does Kishline's statement tell us about her character as a person? At first it appears she said this to "protect the confidentiality" of discussion on the list. However, there's more to her statement than that. She obviously believes that criminal behavior is "treatable," i.e. that it stems from (in this case) "addiction disease" and that her self-help group is the more appropriate place to deal with criminal behavior than the criminal justice system. Her position is more than one of incompetence (addiction isn't a disease and it doesn't cause criminal behavior) and arrogance (self-help groups are not above the law) -- it is a symptom of moral complicity. On that basis alone people should eschew Moderation Management. For we are presented here with a person who places a higher value on the integrity of her self-help group than on assisting the police with a determination of facts about the case in order for justice to be served. Kishline had an ethical obligation to act. She chose not to. Dr. Frederick Rotgers' story is slightly different. Based on the statements he made appearing in the _New York Times_, Rotgers, like Kishline, acted unethically. He also demonstrated incompetence as a psychologist. On the one hand, Dr. Rotgers did not notify law-enforcement authorities "since," he is quoted as saying, "the child was already dead" -- a ghastly and revealing statement about Rotgers' character in itself. However, by saying this he also revealed his belief in the accuracy of the report, i.e. Froistad's confession. Rotgers believed at least part of what Froistad was saying was true. On the other hand, he contradicted himself, again as quoted in the -New York Times-, when he said he "had no basis for knowing whether it was true or not." If the child was dead (as he obviously believed was the truth), why didn't he act to ensure that the proper authorities were informed? And if he had no basis for knowing whether the report was true or not, why didn't he act to inform the proper authorities in order to find out? It is this latter failure to act that impresses me as unethical. Acting to inform the police was not contingent on whether Rotgers could ascertain the truthfulness of Froistad's confession. He had an ethical and I believe professional responsibility as a psychologist to inform the police so that they -- and a jury -- could make that determination. Instead, Rotgers called Froistad "my friend" and encouraged him to see a therapist to "[work] things through with yourself in a safe manner." What kind of person calls someone who just confessed to murdering his five-year-old daughter "my friend"? Again, the moral complicity is obvious. And Rotgers expressed more concern about Froistad harming himself than harming others -- if Froistad murdered his own daughter, why wouldn't he be inclined to harm someone else, someone less important to him than his own daughter? WHO WILL ACT NOW? Dr. Rotgers, as co-listowner of mm@maelstrom.stjohns.edu, notes his affiliation with Rutgers University in each of his e-mail posts. What is the position of Rutgers University on his behavior? Dr. Rotgers is also a psychologist. The Executive Office of the American Psychological Association informed me they have asked their ethics committee to investigate. Will they condone or condemn Dr. Rotger's behavior? And what is the position of the MM Board of Directors and Advisors on this matter? Have they resigned in protest, or will they give their silent stamp of approval by doing nothing? If the MM Board of Advisors and Directors does nothing, it's reasonable to assume they share the same ethics as Kishline and Rotgers. And what is the ethical position of other self-help groups such as SMART Recovery, Inc. and Rational Recovery, Inc. -- groups which gave their stamp of approval to MM in the past -- on this matter? Will they take a stand, an ethical stand, against such unconscionable behavior? Remember, the MM list members and Rotgers criticized those who informed the police about the confession. Who will criticize Rotgers, Kishline, and them list members? The whole world is watching. The MM confession story appeared on ABC, CBS, and NBC news television two nights in a row following the report in the _New York Times_. People have good reason to be shocked by this story. They are shocked by the heinous nature of the alleged crime. They are shocked by the on-line written confession. They are shocked by Kishline's and Rotgers' cowardice, self-centeredness, and failure to report the confession. They are shocked that those who were courageous in reporting the confession to the police were then attacked by members and leaders in the MM organization. Will people now be shocked yet a fifth time when Rutgers University, the APA, and other self-help groups do not act to condemn the unethical behaviors of their affiliates? I created the MM list in 1996 as a public service for people who wanted to help each other with their drinking problems. On August 22, 1996 I promptly resigned from the MM Board of Directors, publicly announced I had severed all relations with Moderation Management, Inc., no longer owned or ran MM lists, and did not recommend or support that organization in any capacity under any circumstances -- because I suspected Kishline and Rotgers were the kind of people they have now shown themselves to be. Good therapy is a function of the character and emotional stability of the therapist (1). The same holds true for those who run self-help groups. Ms. Kishline, Dr. Rotgers, and those responsible for the activities of Moderation Management demonstrate bad character. _Aegrescit medendo_. NOTES. 1). Schaler, J.A. (1995) Bad therapy. _Interpsych Newsletter_, Volume 2, Issue 8 (November - "Fifth Column"), is available at http://www.cmhc.com/ipn/ipn29b.htm Jeffrey A. Schaler, PhD, is an adjunct professor of justice, law, and society at American University's School of Public Affairs in Washington, D.C. His E-mail address is: jschale@american.edu ***** AND THE VERDICT IS . . . The issues discussed by Drs. Corriveau, Grohol, and Schaler are complex and have far-reaching implications to on-line community and behavior. Please take a moment to share your opinions with these authors and possibly with other PNI readers. Submit comments or opinions by sending E-mail to SURVEY4@CEUS.COM or use the Web form available at http://ceus.com/pni/survey4b.htm. [DPC] _________________________________________________________________